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High platform in Linden?, 24 Aug. 2009 19:27
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I personally would welcome a high platform, absolutely NOT. If we stop there on the Strangriede, you see how ugly is such a high platform. He does not fit in Linden! Just between the kitchen garden and Unger road as a behemoth fits not at all clear. But typical Üstra, I say only because, all bad planning! They should have used from the beginning throughout the city low-floor trams, then you would have never had the problem. Other alternatives: buses, instead of the train, because you need to reschedule anything, just use longer buses. I hope we can prevent the construction of high-level platforms yet!
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High platform in the Limmerstraße?, 25 Aug. 2009 04:53
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see also Report
The., 25.08.2009, Linden-Nord
High platform in the Limmerstraße?
Disabled people have a hard time. Everywhere they expect obstacles that must be overcome. A particular nuisance in this regard to public transport. But that is changing. Elevated platforms to provide a remedy.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 25 Aug. 2009 20:55
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What the Linden really want?
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 26 Aug. 2009 20:58
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I have a feeling that people with disabilities seltend complain because they know that much is done for them. Of course not everything goes from today to tomorrow, it dauerd his time. Furthermore, I realize that many writers are very ignorant. If I complain about something, I should first make smart.
If the suspicion should arise, i8ch can only say no, I'm not even look at the Üstra and not a politician or something similar, I'm just a citizen of the reality and not that he would like W3AS.
Üstra the building not the high-level platforms.
Then the problem with the front door opening. The driver does what he's told, or he can pick up his papers. If you see me, how many black drivers each year are taken up, then you know why this is so, otherwise we would have three times the number of fare dodgers. What annoys me most is that innocent people have to always believe in it. How often have I seen the riders were dressed for the things they had zuverantworten niche. Everyone should just take time to his own nose and then maybe say something.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 28 Aug. 2009 07:05
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I do not need a high platform
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 17 Sep. 2009 17:03
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I just found this: http://oepnv.linden-nord.org/
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 24 Sep. 2009 09:37
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Council for comment by Mr. Jürgen Mineur
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The construction of a high-level platforms at the kitchen garden is to be welcomed.
What brings the high platform at the kitchen garden when the stone gate and main station still no high-level platforms are planned. These qualities are not provided in the transportation plan previously.
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Even on a single-track option should be considered.
A single track is always an occupational barrier. In addition, single-track trails are not funded by the state, so also in the Gleisverschlingung Rethen.
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It is also necessary even with low-floor vehicles, a platform in the street. He has only a height of 30 cm instead of 82 cm, is thus less massive, but the same problems as caused by high-technology corridor.
You do not need a platform for NF-technology. The Lady in Vienna have just one time step of 18cm above street level. de.wikipedia.org / wiki / Ultra_Low_Floor. You can also equip the cars with a ramp or platform lift. In Bremen, no stop has been changed.
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It would be specially designed vehicles for Hanover necessary because the clearance is not simply transferred from other constructions.
Why does Hanover Fahrezug developed its own again? Other cities also make it even existing vehicles to adapt their network. One would only give the vehicle width of 2.40 maintained, so that emergency vehicles can drive across the network and also to fit over the existing high platforms.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 24 Sep. 2009 10:58
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I'm not from Linden, but I think it's important that one day all the stops in Hanover mobiltätseingschränkte must be accessible for passengers.
I want to later times as a doddering old with my Army shoppers everywhere and one can get without having to pay attention to whether a stop or a vehicle is disabled or not. In the future the proportion of such customers will substantially larger. Which may not be excluded.
Therefore we may in the future state in the Limmerstraße can not as he is now. Come when the D-Tunnel should be absolutely everywhere elevated platforms. If he does not come, the low floor is to be welcomed.
The main thing is disabled and all intrested in passengers. Even for those who want to drive, do not come from Linden, but from outside of Linden.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 24 Sep. 2009 14:40
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Come when the D-Tunnel should be absolutely everywhere elevated platforms. If he does not come, the low floor is to be welcomed.
It spoke, however, you can not do to build the tunnel for low-floor vehicles (the difference is minimal). Mixed operation with other branches in the D-line tunnel does not already provided.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 05 Nov. 2009 12:29
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It may not have to be all the districts no problems with the existing system but Linden necessarily want a special path. honest discussion ridiculous because there are other places in Hanover, where it is closely similar and were built without problems narrower high-level platforms. No one complains, no pimped there. When I look at the photo montage I do not understand why all the pizzazz? Even the much vaunted low-floor vehicles which are then purchased separately for Linden would need 30cm platforms to be disabled, but are then completely incompatible with the rest of the system. What an insanity! The line 17 would also turn will believe, night star above the tunnel would be impossible to express as well! Future plans regarding underground D> on Marie Street - Sallstrasse impossible. And because only a small part of Holzköpfigkeit Hanover. It may not want to be a district of the city to impose a completely new system. What I am glad I live in the mountains competition and we do not have such a charade.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 06 Nov. 2009 21:28
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Linden is not just Hanover!
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 17 Nov. 2009 19:54
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thanks for the attempt a comparison between low-floor and high floor technology to create (http://www.hallolinden.de/2009/html/bericht_72-09.html).
Unfortunately, I think plenty of unfavorable comparisons. You are here the absolute worst-case low-floor dar. course can also be built with low-floor trams same level platforms, so that the same accessibility is achieved as with high platforms.
Only if these platforms not just 80cm high, but 18 to 30cm. Again, I wonder why you just imagine the much less favorable 30cm version as "the NF-example".
That an elevation of 18cm (almost a standard curb) on the Limmerstr. could be easily implemented, is on hand (no trees and catering to sacrifice and to share the road).
Anyone who seriously believes that high-level platforms would have any advantages over modern low-floor trams (I exclude the system question on the site), I can only suggest to visit to Berlin, Vienna and Zagreb (exemplary) to throw.
Also be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcnW33HU7X8
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Low-floor technology and platform, 18 Nov. 2009 09:14
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@ Linden
The report mentioned that a platform height reduces the entry level.
The information that low-floor height is possible to zero fill a knowledge gap in the public and has significance for further discussion.
The report is not made for one or the other solution. It is intended to provide the information that will enable the reader to form their own opinions.
The video from Berlin is now linked in the report.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 19 Nov. 2009 09:41
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a lowering of fahrbehn and sidings in the bus stop area of ??limmer road was not yet under discussion. the sidewalk could be used as far as the waiting zone and lose no transactions were for space and customers.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 19 Nov. 2009 19:57
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Why not reduce the same road as far as the high platform as trains can go through. Maybe you could also seal the railways and flood the entire trench with water.
Canals are still totally in!
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 19 Nov. 2009 20:19
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So this lift on the door looks error prone and slow. So what needs to work even after a few years (frost, water, road salt, ....) and still not produce reliable maintenance costs without end. Not to mention the nerve when things do not work properly and the cars then ever stand at the bus stop.
The best run through the old plans, and then rest: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/thumb.php?f=Hannover-Stadtbahn-d-linie-ihmezentrum.svg&width=1000px
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/De-h-lightrail-map-d-tunnel.png
I'm doing this anyway with the 10 Rumkurverei forever on the bag!
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 20 Nov. 2009 18:05
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Good morning, Linden-Nord!
For 40 years, worked in Hannover at a light rail system. For about 20 years, it is clear that in the field of Limmerstr. give the foreseeable future is no tunnel. 12 years ago was set up on the D-line, between Ahlem and Limmer, have begun high-level platforms, and for at least three years, it is clear from the decision Üstra region and to create in the future, only paths without folding steps.
But first, be specific since the plans for high-level platforms in Linden-Nord, you wake up and there seems to come spontaneously to the conclusion that they would prefer to have low-floor vehicles. I hope everyone slept well.
The construction of a city or metro system in a big city is a tall order. Demand in the short term now that any input but please ignore the wishes and the whole thing on a single district should be oriented, is quite bold.
Here I go into the matter thoroughly compliant with the protesters. Of course not fit into the high-level platforms Limmerstr.
But the same people who now give alarm, have for years prevented the tunnel in this area. Concurrently, many of these people almost a year ago have still fought for a high platform on the Benno Ohnsorg bridge, although it was clear that many local residents and rail users do not want him there. Measured here is obviously a double standard.
Incidentally, I can also understand the district council parties not now want to easily flow with the flow. Most of the deputies knew of course long, what was planned and it would look like, so please no crocodile tears from this corner.
Altogether we can now already run hot, because at the Linden market we are in a couple of years have exactly the same problem. But I'm afraid this train has left for Linden total, as many yes only the requirements of some supposedly politically correct mandarins who follow, instead of taking their own thoughts.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 20 Nov. 2009 22:20
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Is not still looking for a track for the Transrapid. It takes 30 seconds for the Krößcke but what would.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 22 Nov. 2009 15:14
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CDU for the Linden-Limmer I've always been against the very high-level platforms. Also, we did not want a high platform at the Benno Ohnesorg Bridge.
Unfortunately, we do not have enough supporters in this matter. There must be other solutions than high-level platforms. The buyer, here the region of Hannover and the Üstra have to respond more flexibly to the wishes of their customers.
Gabriele quarry
Farktionsvorsitzende the
CDU Linden-Limmer
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 23 Nov. 2009 08:01
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That sounds great, all against the high platform. In the county as I had a somewhat different impression. But that just seems to be politics. The main thing is you against the other.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 23 Nov. 2009 22:08
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Such is life in our red-green majority in the county! Locally they are against everything, but the city council meeting and in the region because they just do their thing. They care little about what we think in Linden! I only remember the Stadtteilbibliothel much chatter in the county and nothing at all of them in the Council, the Mayor Mr. Weil has his associates and their agents in the green handle! Respect Mr. Mayor! Maybe it comes Hr. Because even on access to and prevented the monstrous high platform.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 09 Dec. 2009 12:59
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In the discussion on high platforms I'd like to introduce a new idea. Maybe someone can tell if this is practicable.
As a solution, "high platform light" would be a short-high platform, which is only part of the web, for example, about two doors? These two doors open onto a plane as the floor of the vehicle, while all other doors so far as the steps unfold. Wheelchair users, people with strollers, etc. can then use the two doors at the short high platform.
For a short high platform with two doors would be a length of 9 m is sufficient, he should go at the green light rail on the second and the middle door (for a total of five doors per vehicle), in the use of first and second and the last two doors even reach 8 m. The Silver Arrows have the doors in pairs behind each other in an even shorter distance. For them logically grazing the area in front of the short-HBS come to a halt, in which the folding seats or the space for Rollstühel, strollers and bicycles.
An 8-meter high platform on the Limmerstraße has little more to barrier effect as the existing bus stops, bus shelters.
This not übermäig space for access to the HBS in the form of a ramp is used, a platform lift, in the form of an approximately 1x1 to 1x1, 50 m wide iron plate to be installed, moved the wheelchair between the high platform and street level. Next, access via a standard staircase is possible, in a steep ramp is built to prams, bicycles and the like to move up and down (like the stairs next to the Benno Ohnesorg Bridge down to Ihme behind the Irish pub).
With this solution does not need a new low-floor rail system to be purchased, which can no longer navigate the tunnel (with Express journeys NSTV). Also a (expensive proposition) demolition of the HBS in Ahlem, Limmer and am Aegi is unnecessary.
Such short-HBS could raise the stops kitchen garden / Ihmezentrum and Leinaustr. For example, even at the Stone Gate / Kurt-Schumacher-Str. be installed at the central station and / Ernst-August-Platz, in order to facilitate wheelchair to transport links throughout the city.
Still remains to be clarified as follows:
- Is it possible that light rail car at ground level just to open two doors, while all other doors to exit the stage? Respectively. it is technically feasible to convert them so that they can?
-Can the driver khalten be suited for certain that the doors are provided in the short-HBS?
-Is there an increased risk of accidents by inadvertent unfolding of the stages in the HBS area or opening on a level outside of HBS? if so, how can this be prevented?
The solution with the actual lift is practicable? (Safety / security railings, protection from abuse and vandalism. Is her a solution as possible with the keys for disabled toilets at motorway service stations)?
-If the change of the final stops on the Fahrtichtung Aegi and Ahlem a problem?
Can be marked, in which the doors can hold that are at the new short-stops in the HBS HBS HBS area to the existing on line 10 of the areas? that affected passengers boarding at the right door, not when you off on the Limmerstr. move through the train to what is Rollstüheln or pram difficult or impossible.
I'm waiting for answers / comments
Greeting
Thilo Vierhuff
Thilo Vierhuff
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30449 Hannover
0511/441574
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 19 Dec. 2009 08:02
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Line 10 is not in Hanover's rail network, nor on their distance alone. The already moving on this route with Route 17 is from Wall Street to Stone Allerweg high platforms, after binding Hemmingen then it starts from just Wettbergen and will come here elevated platforms. The projected line amplifier "19" by Empelde, possibly Ronnenberg should also go through Clevertor.
The use of low-floor trams to high platforms is impossible for obvious reasons.
A decision against low-floor has fallen decades ago. Nowadays, the network would, of course, fully equipped with Niedeflurtechnik. However, a deconstruction in the tunnel stations is simply impossible. The repayment of the funding for all high-level platforms is just as impossible. Additionally, the new TW3000 so well ordered, its durability should be at least 30 years. As long as at least we still get the high-technology corridor.
I fully understand the design of future light rail stops as ideal as possible fit into the cityscape, as at my stop "Leinaustraße" happened a few years ago.
But I am against the uncoupling by Linden driving cars even more from the rest of the system.
Which fortunately ended discussion by those responsible for NF-technology should be an opportunity to use the existing opportunities as well and forward-looking as possible. Be it through hybrid forms in the design of bus stops (with a slight lowering of the railway line raising the pavement), or new methods (by the laying of the railway line and the Kötnerholzeg Fössestraße, Limmer tunneling of the road).
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 11 May. 2010 23:08
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I come back to one, in my opinion, overdue point:
I suggest that when the stop Falkenstraße / Black Bear at line 9 once a passenger survey is conducted. Before this survey, you probably shy away back because one suspects the result: 99.9% of people who want to end 2011 on there and not get in and out on the Benno Ohnesorg-bending.
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High platform cost money, lots of money, 20 May. 2010 08:29
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Everyone is talking about debt, no one comes to save the idea.
Given the enormous difficulties with the euro, the EU and our government and stätdischen households: Can we afford this at all?
What went so far without, will go even further 10, 20 or 50 more years.
Do we want to destroy us further into debt?
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 21 May. 2010 10:56
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Maybe we will be grateful to the Greeks they drive us into ruin. Then the sly dogs can not we at least zubetonieren the entire city.
My conclusion about this: Selects SPD!
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 01 Jul. 2010 10:18
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quite interesting to read what is here so ..... I'm panned how it ends
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 07 Jul. 2010 08:07
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Jürgen Wessel:
I come back to one, in my opinion, overdue point:
I suggest that when the stop Falkenstraße / Black Bear at line 9 once a passenger survey is conducted. Before this survey, you probably shy away back because one suspects the result: 99.9% of people who want to end 2011 on there and not get in and out on the Benno Ohnesorg-bending.
Please stop by the discussion about the BOB not forget that the BIU has called exactly in the nineties years this station, in the brochure "Let's go west" (page 22 and Appendix 11B).
Yes, that's exactly the same BIU which now calls for the introduction of NF membranes.
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RE: high platform in Linden?, 03 Mar. 2011 16:33
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actually I'm also Absoulute against it, but others have it disabled hand then go much easier.
Is also a disadvantage for the transactions that are there because they have less then a space mission before ... (zBdas Riva)
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